Re: [-empyre-] art

[Christiane Robbins <cpr@mindspring.com>]

Just a couple quick thoughts -

Once again, interesting points, Danny -  I must have missed the  
outburst ( or just reading/scanning too, too quickly. )

In any case, the most recent point raised re:  JB ("i f Baudrillard  
is more popular among artists than other theory readers," ) is  
questionable.  Perhaps the certainty of your point was articulated  
earlier, however,  I would venture to say that is far from fact.   
Certainly, JB was "popular"  but I see his theories( and teach ithem)  
within a larger schema including  other theorists ( i.e. Barthes,  
Benjamin, Butler, & Virillo,  + Williamson, Foster, Kelley, Rosler - 
the latter two artist/theorists. )  who popularity was similarly  
valued - at least in California.

Indeed, there are interesting questions embedded in the ways in which  
theory is taught in art schools and their channels of distribution  
and circulation. - as this uneasy alliance has always been perched on  
a rather slippery slope.  This topic might possibly serve as a  
suggestion for a future month long discussion for empyre.

All best,

Chris



On Mar 15, 2007, at 2:31 PM, Danny Butt wrote:

> Forget my last ill-advised outburst for the moment, or in french  
> style put a line through it so we can pretend it isn't there.
>
> The interesting question for this list  (as opposed to the other  
> ones processing JB) as I see it is: if Baudrillard is more popular  
> among artists than other theory readers, what does this tell us  
> about the relationship between art and theoretical production?
>
> There are some interesting questions in there perhaps about how  
> theory is taught in art schools, and also the channels of theory  
> circulation.
>
> Perhaps rather than talking about Baudrillard in the negative  
> (wasn't captured by academia, escaped being pinned down by  
> discipline x, never fit in) it would be possible to articulate  
> something distinctive about the modes of circulation his work  
> participated in and expanded - Semiotext(e) a case in point as Ken  
> suggested earlier.
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Christiane Robbins


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